Sunday, May 31, 2009

Meiland Discussion Questions from Group 4 (Pgs 17-23)

Choose one question to respond to, or you can respond to what someone else has posted:

1. Meiland says, "authors make decisions in constructing a piece of writing about what to include, what to exclude, and how to arrange their material" (pg17, lines 26-27). What are some ways you decide what to include and what not to include?

2. On page 20, lines 5-10, Meiland said it is possible to appreciate the structure of good writing like a work of art. Do you think admiring the structure of writing is simmilar to appreciating the structure of a painting or song?

3. Meiland gives a set of 7 questions to keep in mind when reading a text (pages 18-17). Number 6 is "are there any assumptions made?" We learned that assumptions are beliefs we make when connecting claims to evidence. Sometimes the assumptions someone wants us to make are false or contain fallacies. What are some assumptions society asks us, young people, to make about life? About our roles in society? Are there any problems with these assumptions?

Group 4 leaders:
Akari Y.
Yoshimi S.
Yosuke S.

21 comments:

  1. [2] Meiland said that we can admire the writing like a work of art,and he also said that a good piece of writing can make the same types of feelings which a beautiful painting produce. I agree with this way of thinking. Both art and writing tell audiece something. In both cases, The cleaner the structure become, the better audience feel. In fact, when I read the beautiful literature such as the work of Keigo Higashino, I was impressed like I saw the special art.

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  2. [1] Meiland said that authors consider what to include, what to exclude, and how to arrange their material. I think this process is important for us when we write an essay. When I decide what to include and what not to exclude, I consider whether this material is effective or not. From more large view, for example when the media tell us about diplomatic relations, they are likely not to tell us about YASUKUNI problem deeply, because there are some political problems. I think that the media select information which are effective for themselves.

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  3. Thank you for answering the question, Yuki. Certainly, we feel that the literature explosion is nice and beautiful like pictuer. Youre opinion is clear and specific.

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  4. [1] I decide what to include, what to exclude, and how to arrange my material, considering how the information that I want to include can reinforce my opinion. Sometimes I tend to search the information without considering the other side of information because I want to get only useful information for me. To avoid being blind, I have to think criticaly when I select what to include, what to exclude, and how to arrange my material.

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  5. [1]I sympathize Kanako&Fumihiro. In order to express my opinion strongly, I consider which information is more advantageous for me. In other words, I avoid to use unfavorable expression. So, from reader's view point, we have to keep in mind these auther's process or intention when we read academic texts or essay.
    I mean that reading with considering author's position or intention helps us to grasp what the author wants to reinforce and to exclude.

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  6. [2]I agree with Meiland's opinion.
    According to Meiland, just as we can admire the composition of a painting, a sculpture, a building, a sing, or a dance, so we can admire the composition of a text.
    Classical music or songs that are sung by good singers make a deep impression on me. When I read a good writing, I feel same feelings for this writing. So I think admiring the structure of writing is very similar to admire the good songs.

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  7. [2]I agree with Meiland.
    When we read writings which have good structures, we can understand what they want to tell more clearly. The good structures make writings more impressively.We can say similar things in a viewpoint of arts. For example, music that have good harmony make good impression on their audience.
    So I think admiring the structure of writings and appreciating the one of arts are similar.

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  8. [2]I agree with Meiland too.
    I was deluded that I am in the scene of the picture when I saw a beautiful painting of Monet. I think that is because the structures of painting was good. Moreover, I can say the same thing with a writing too. When I am reading a book which structures are good, I read it as I am in the story. Therefore, I think that admiring the structure of writing is similar to appreciating the structure of a painting or song.

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  9. Thank you for answering the question, Aika, Ayumi, Mai. Your coments show good structure has specially. Writer who can appeal good structuer maight have persuasive power.

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  10. (2)I also agree with Meiland. When I read a novel, I feel a beauty of sentence. Sentence make beautiful colors and beautiful scenes in my mind. Moreover, when the wrritings have a structure with balanced features, I can understand easily the contents and also have a sense of beauty. These feelings are similar to apreciating an art or a song.

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  11. {1} When I decide what to include and what not to include, I ofetn used to concider my experience or belief. However, recently I think that it is dangerous to use this way through classes in ICU because this way tends to cause bias. So, I think that I need to have ways which concider various idea, others experience and fact.

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  12. [2] I agree with Meiland. Both writing and art have a basic structure. Music, such as classic, pops and jazz has each basic structure. Writing, such as novel, critisism and essay also has each basic structure. If a writing doesn't have basic structure, it's not easy to understand. I think writing is similar to music in that they have basic structure. So admiring stucture of writing is similar to appreciating structure of works of art.

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  13. Thank you for answering, Kanako. I understood most of your opinion. However, I want to ask you what you mean by the word "effective". In your example, the word "effective" seems to mean "convenient". Is this interpretation wrong?

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  14. Thank you for your comment, Fumi. Are you saying that you decide what to include or to exclude by the view point of how a certain information strengthens your opinion, and you are paying attention to the other side of the information? I think the attention is very important in order to make persuasive opinion.

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  15. Thank you, Kana. Your answer clearly shows why active reading is important for academic works. College students have to keep your comment in mind, I think.

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  16. Thank you for your answering, Keisuke. I agree with you. To avoid bias as well as possible, we need to reexamine what we are taking for granted. I felt again that critical thinking is a foundation of studies.

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  17. (1) When I decide what to include and what not to include,I try to finde the information that support my idea and opinion strongly. Because I want readers to emphaseize my idea and be pursuaded. In addition that, I sometimes choose the imformation that contradicts opposite idea because contradicting something opposite is connecting to support other side.
    So, I agree with Kanako`s idea that mentioned about Media. I learned that media choose information that they report, and we can not know the infotmation that media exclude.
    In conclusion, author`s decision which information include or not has big influence on our(readers or recirvers)thinking.

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  18. I have some ways to include or exclude about constructing a piece of writing. Firstle, I often include substract statement and exclude obstract statement. Substract statement is basically very clear dor reader and easy to convey our thought. Secondly, I include the statement which is contained of key words. It is most important statement and easy to understand in all

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  19. Thank you for your comments, Hinako and Ryusuke.
    I understand what is key when author decide. Key is that whether infomation is supportive and that whether it includes key word.

    Sorry, but what does "substract" mean, Ryusuke?

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  20. I am sorry because I could not answer your question while you were a blog leader, but please let me answer your question. In my definition, "effective" means that the material lead me success or work as good evudence in my essay. So the meaning of "effective" in my mind is little different from yours.

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  21. Thank you for answering, Kanako. I understood your definition well.

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